Brown Water Navy

Bowdenja · 06-17-2007, 12:55 PM

www.brownwater.net

OK......... not sure what it is about me and hard to find boats to model, but I've decided to give a try to the boats used during the Viet Nam war, and again plans are hard to come by.

BUT.......... I did stumble upon a wonderful site with information, MODELS, and a good guy running it.

www.brownwater.net

I email the site and recieved a reply back almost immediately............ no not a canned response but an email address to me from a guy named Jack with a response to my question............. places to find what I need.

I was impressed............. real people..........WOW!

I told him to check out our wonderful place and he said that he liked the Huey in the POTW. He said he tried card models awhile back but was more comfortable with the other stuff............you know the "P" stuff.

Anyway if you are looking for info on this time frame or just want to see some good models and information.................... check it out!

john

Jim Nunn · 06-17-2007, 04:23 PM

John,

Let me be the first to ask to be a Bata builder. I served in PBR's and have wanted to build one in paper for a very long time. I’ll scout around and see if I can find some sources of Plans.

Jim Nunn

Bowdenja · 06-17-2007, 06:13 PM

Cool Jim............... here is what I've found and ordered from www.floatingdrydock.com

Order# Item
VN-1 36' River Patrol Craft (RPC)
VN-2 50' Patrol Launch PCF Mk1
VN-3 50' Assault Support Patrol Boat (ASPB)
VN-4 50' Patrol Boat (FAST) Mk2
VN-5 56' Armored Troop Carrier Refueler
VN-6 56' Command & Communication Boat (CCB)
VN-7 56' Monitor
VN-8 65' Picket Boat
VN-9 74' Hydrofoil Gunboat PGH-1 Grumann
VN-10 71' Hydrofoil Gunboat PGH-2 Boeing
VN-11 80' Fast Patrol Boat PTF Nasty class
VN-12 95' Steel Patrol Boat PGM53
VN-13 100' Patrol Motor Gunboat PGM

My plan was to do a CCB or Monitor first and then an ATC Tango boat.

But you know what they say about plans and mice and men...............

I'll take you up on the beta!

john

Jim Nunn · 06-18-2007, 12:55 AM

John,

That’s a very ambitious list, if you do the monitor keep in mind that there were two types, the gun boat and the “Zippo” flame boat. You could always tell who the crews of the Zippo’s were they did not have any facial hair or eyebrows.

Most CCB’s had rebar armor that will be hard to replicate in a paper model.

The 80 ft Nasty is a favorite of mine these were a Special Operations Boat I knew of only two and they were used to infiltrate the north. I don’t believe these were attached to the river assault force but I am no expert.

Jim Nunn

Bowdenja · 06-18-2007, 09:51 AM

Yeah..........Jack at brownwater said the same thing about the armor.

But after seeing kooklik's railing(s) out of copper, it gave me some ideas

You know this is an under publicized/appreciated aspect of the Viet Nam war............ most people have heard of the PBR's but not so much on the other boats that gave the VC so much heartburn! (Zippo boat pun intended!)

I hope I can do these boats justice. I've got a few reference books coming in and with Jack's site and help for you and the other guys here maybe we can shead a little light on this very important part of our history.

john

rickstef · 06-18-2007, 09:54 AM

John,

depending on the scale you are going to design these boats in, are you also planning on adding HAL-3?

Rick

Bowdenja · 06-18-2007, 10:14 AM

Rick............... HAL-3? Light Attack Helicopter Squadron 3?

rickstef · 06-18-2007, 10:21 AM

that would be correct sir

Bowdenja · 06-18-2007, 10:33 AM

Had not even thought of that but you know.................. a Brown Water fleet would not be a bad thing.

Scale could be a problem, but nothing for a stepper. My orginal thought was maybe doing them in 1/35 to match armor, but if we go with Helicopters........... we would have to pick a smaller scale......... 1/48 or 1/72.

Even 1/72 would lead to some big ships................. but it's a good idea.

Here's a profile for those who are wondering

rickstef · 06-18-2007, 10:43 AM

and if you want to read about them

http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Navy-Seawo...2177681&sr=8-1
I just recently bought this book, have not started reading it

http://www.amazon.com/Seawolves-Choi...2177681&sr=8-1
This book I have read, and found it to be a great read.

http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Sky-Seawo...2177681&sr=8-1
I will be buying this one soon

Rick

rickstef · 06-18-2007, 10:02 PM

John,

I was thinking about your scale issue.

you could always go down to 1:100, a common boat/ship scale
and if you add aircraft, they would not be too hard to handle in that scale

Rick

Bowdenja · 06-18-2007, 10:43 PM

It's a thought........ 1/100 of a 56' CCB or Monitor comes in at 6.72 inches.

I could always design it bigger and then re-scale and post sheets.

rickstef · 06-18-2007, 10:44 PM

plus you could entice wargamers too

Rick

06-17-2007, 12:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bowdenja Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ridgeland, MS Posts: 3,217	Brown Water Navy www.brownwater.net OK......... not sure what it is about me and hard to find boats to model, but I've decided to give a try to the boats used during the Viet Nam war, and again plans are hard to come by. BUT.......... I did stumble upon a wonderful site with information, MODELS, and a good guy running it. www.brownwater.net I email the site and recieved a reply back almost immediately............ no not a canned response but an email address to me from a guy named Jack with a response to my question............. places to find what I need. I was impressed............. real people..........WOW! I told him to check out our wonderful place and he said that he liked the Huey in the POTW. He said he tried card models awhile back but was more comfortable with the other stuff............you know the "P" stuff. Anyway if you are looking for info on this time frame or just want to see some good models and information.................... check it out! john __________________ I am patient........I just want it now Chuck the aggravating stuff........build more models! You know.......... if you don't pi$$ off somebody once in a while you are too politcally correct. The Modeler is his worst critic

06-17-2007, 04:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jim Nunn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 406	John, Let me be the first to ask to be a Bata builder. I served in PBR's and have wanted to build one in paper for a very long time. I’ll scout around and see if I can find some sources of Plans. Jim Nunn __________________ Keep the peace(es).

06-17-2007, 06:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bowdenja Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ridgeland, MS Posts: 3,217	Cool Jim............... here is what I've found and ordered from www.floatingdrydock.com Order# Item VN-1 36' River Patrol Craft (RPC) VN-2 50' Patrol Launch PCF Mk1 VN-3 50' Assault Support Patrol Boat (ASPB) VN-4 50' Patrol Boat (FAST) Mk2 VN-5 56' Armored Troop Carrier Refueler VN-6 56' Command & Communication Boat (CCB) VN-7 56' Monitor VN-8 65' Picket Boat VN-9 74' Hydrofoil Gunboat PGH-1 Grumann VN-10 71' Hydrofoil Gunboat PGH-2 Boeing VN-11 80' Fast Patrol Boat PTF Nasty class VN-12 95' Steel Patrol Boat PGM53 VN-13 100' Patrol Motor Gunboat PGM My plan was to do a CCB or Monitor first and then an ATC Tango boat. But you know what they say about plans and mice and men............... I'll take you up on the beta! john __________________ I am patient........I just want it now Chuck the aggravating stuff........build more models! You know.......... if you don't pi$$ off somebody once in a while you are too politcally correct. The Modeler is his worst critic

06-18-2007, 12:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jim Nunn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 406	John, That’s a very ambitious list, if you do the monitor keep in mind that there were two types, the gun boat and the “Zippo” flame boat. You could always tell who the crews of the Zippo’s were they did not have any facial hair or eyebrows. Most CCB’s had rebar armor that will be hard to replicate in a paper model. The 80 ft Nasty is a favorite of mine these were a Special Operations Boat I knew of only two and they were used to infiltrate the north. I don’t believe these were attached to the river assault force but I am no expert. Jim Nunn __________________ Keep the peace(es).

06-18-2007, 09:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
Bowdenja Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ridgeland, MS Posts: 3,217	Yeah..........Jack at brownwater said the same thing about the armor. But after seeing kooklik's railing(s) out of copper, it gave me some ideas You know this is an under publicized/appreciated aspect of the Viet Nam war............ most people have heard of the PBR's but not so much on the other boats that gave the VC so much heartburn! (Zippo boat pun intended!) I hope I can do these boats justice. I've got a few reference books coming in and with Jack's site and help for you and the other guys here maybe we can shead a little light on this very important part of our history. john __________________ I am patient........I just want it now Chuck the aggravating stuff........build more models! You know.......... if you don't pi$$ off somebody once in a while you are too politcally correct. The Modeler is his worst critic

06-18-2007, 09:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
rickstef Director of Paper Dakar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington Delaware USA Posts: 2,105	John, depending on the scale you are going to design these boats in, are you also planning on adding HAL-3? Rick __________________ "Rock is Dead, Long Live Paper and Scissors" Love Racing? Love Paper Models? Check Out http://rpmodels.proboards46.com/ http://paperdakar.blogspot.com/ http://picasaweb.google.com/rickstef

06-18-2007, 10:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
Bowdenja Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ridgeland, MS Posts: 3,217	Rick............... HAL-3? Light Attack Helicopter Squadron 3? __________________ I am patient........I just want it now Chuck the aggravating stuff........build more models! You know.......... if you don't pi$$ off somebody once in a while you are too politcally correct. The Modeler is his worst critic

06-18-2007, 10:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
rickstef Director of Paper Dakar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington Delaware USA Posts: 2,105	that would be correct sir __________________ "Rock is Dead, Long Live Paper and Scissors" Love Racing? Love Paper Models? Check Out http://rpmodels.proboards46.com/ http://paperdakar.blogspot.com/ http://picasaweb.google.com/rickstef

06-18-2007, 10:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bowdenja Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ridgeland, MS Posts: 3,217	Had not even thought of that but you know.................. a Brown Water fleet would not be a bad thing. Scale could be a problem, but nothing for a stepper. My orginal thought was maybe doing them in 1/35 to match armor, but if we go with Helicopters........... we would have to pick a smaller scale......... 1/48 or 1/72. Even 1/72 would lead to some big ships................. but it's a good idea. Here's a profile for those who are wondering __________________ I am patient........I just want it now Chuck the aggravating stuff........build more models! You know.......... if you don't pi$$ off somebody once in a while you are too politcally correct. The Modeler is his worst critic

06-18-2007, 10:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
rickstef Director of Paper Dakar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington Delaware USA Posts: 2,105	and if you want to read about them http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Navy-Seawo...2177681&sr=8-1 I just recently bought this book, have not started reading it http://www.amazon.com/Seawolves-Choi...2177681&sr=8-1 This book I have read, and found it to be a great read. http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Sky-Seawo...2177681&sr=8-1 I will be buying this one soon Rick __________________ "Rock is Dead, Long Live Paper and Scissors" Love Racing? Love Paper Models? Check Out http://rpmodels.proboards46.com/ http://paperdakar.blogspot.com/ http://picasaweb.google.com/rickstef

06-18-2007, 10:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
rickstef Director of Paper Dakar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington Delaware USA Posts: 2,105	John, I was thinking about your scale issue. you could always go down to 1:100, a common boat/ship scale and if you add aircraft, they would not be too hard to handle in that scale Rick __________________ "Rock is Dead, Long Live Paper and Scissors" Love Racing? Love Paper Models? Check Out http://rpmodels.proboards46.com/ http://paperdakar.blogspot.com/ http://picasaweb.google.com/rickstef

06-18-2007, 10:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bowdenja Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ridgeland, MS Posts: 3,217	It's a thought........ 1/100 of a 56' CCB or Monitor comes in at 6.72 inches. I could always design it bigger and then re-scale and post sheets. __________________ I am patient........I just want it now Chuck the aggravating stuff........build more models! You know.......... if you don't pi$$ off somebody once in a while you are too politcally correct. The Modeler is his worst critic

06-18-2007, 10:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
rickstef Director of Paper Dakar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington Delaware USA Posts: 2,105	plus you could entice wargamers too Rick __________________ "Rock is Dead, Long Live Paper and Scissors" Love Racing? Love Paper Models? Check Out http://rpmodels.proboards46.com/ http://paperdakar.blogspot.com/ http://picasaweb.google.com/rickstef

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