Help! Wiki format issues

rmks2000 · 01-20-2008, 02:02 PM

I've created a new link in the Card Models Wiki, Software for Designing and Coloring, containing a list of various design and paint software. I'm having formatting issues - the word wrap doesn't seem to work.

If anyone can help, please do so. I just don't want to add all the other rows without the word wrap working. BTW, the software will be separated by type - design software, unwrapping software, and coloring software.

Bob

**cgutzmer** · 01-20-2008, 02:12 PM

oh dang! i totally forgot - will take a look now....
Chris

**cgutzmer** · 01-20-2008, 02:30 PM

I am not sure if you are specifiying your column widths properly. You are just using numbers to specify width and I dont think that it knows what the numbers are referring too - pixels, percent etc. I would personally use %. I found this to be the most helpful in looking up how to set up tables in the wiki.

Help:Table - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

rmks2000 · 01-20-2008, 03:00 PM

I tried percent but it seemed to be ignored. I'll try again.

**cgutzmer** · 01-20-2008, 06:40 PM

If nothing else, try the pixel one - it seems the most precise. Let me know if you have problems and I will give it a try too. Formatting is about the hardest darn part of the wiki as it SHOULD take standard HTML tags but it doesnt seem to know how to process them half the time.
Chris

**cgutzmer** · 01-22-2008, 12:11 PM

I have been working on this over the weekend. I think it is working as it should. There just isnt enough screen space to get it to format properly with that amount of data in the width.

I was able to figure it out because here at work I have dual monitors (17 inch) and if I drag the entire wiki page across the screen it formats as desired. The reason that some of them do not wrap the same way is that you dont have any spaces after the comma's for the file types. I think we will need to come up with an alternate way to display the info you want to show. I have an idea or two. I donthave any implemented yet but if you want to see what I have been doing you can click into the WIKI and choose recent changes near the top right. Hope we can work it out because I think this info is GREAT!
Chris

**Lex** · 01-22-2008, 12:15 PM

...Just great to see someone working on the wiki ^^ Can't help much, but best of luck.

rmks2000 · 01-22-2008, 04:38 PM

Chris,

Thanks for working on it. I'll keep adding the info. I just wish I could expand the comment section more.

Bob

**cgutzmer** · 01-22-2008, 04:43 PM

Just finished this up - like or no like?
Chris's test page - HobbyWiki
Chris

RonP · 01-22-2008, 10:16 PM

html code works so i would use <br>

**Elliott** · 01-22-2008, 10:30 PM

Don't know squat about HTML and all that stuff but the format is certainly usable and gives me helpful information. Love the data you have collected rmks2000! This stuff rocks!

Elliott

Oh, sorry Chris. Your stuff rocks too!

**cgutzmer** · 01-22-2008, 10:38 PM

I just took his stuff and changed the formatting.

RonP - <br> is good but the problem is that it inserts a hard break. I think he wants to use word wrap to maximize the space used along with specifying the width. If I am using a super high resolution (say 1200 width) and most people are using 600 pixel width then I wouldnt be getting the best use of the space because of that hard break. If the space is allocated dynamically then when the browser translates it to the screen it can format it to make best use of space.

I hope that made sense - I am tired as heck.....
Chris

**Amazyah** · 01-22-2008, 11:43 PM

What scares me, is that I understand what you mean, Chris!

Russell

rmks2000 · 01-23-2008, 09:29 AM

In theory, using the width attribute should enforce wrapping, but it didn't. That was why I took out spaces and added hard breaks to minimize certain columns. I prefer the original format - to me it's easier to read. However, Chris' sample page eliminates the scrolling. I'll do whatever the consensus is.

Bob

**cgutzmer** · 01-23-2008, 10:33 AM

It couldnt enforce word wrapping (in the manner expected) because there just wasnt enough space on a single computer screen to fit that many columns in one row.

I 100% agree the original idea was far better for comparison purposes but it wasnt feasible even on my 20 inch monitor at home. Maybe on a 24 inch widescreen it would work.... On my dual monitor setup if I opend the browser completely across BOTH screens it wrapped as I would have expected because there is enough screen real estate.

I think the way I formatted it will work OK for comparison purposes but not as well as your original idea. I personally hate scrolling left and right and from a web designer point of reference 75% of people (minimum) will not even bother and will just move on to another page.
Chris

01-20-2008, 02:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
rmks2000 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 657	Help! Wiki format issues I've created a new link in the Card Models Wiki, Software for Designing and Coloring, containing a list of various design and paint software. I'm having formatting issues - the word wrap doesn't seem to work. If anyone can help, please do so. I just don't want to add all the other rows without the word wrap working. BTW, the software will be separated by type - design software, unwrapping software, and coloring software. Bob

01-20-2008, 02:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
cgutzmer Reserves Librarian Card Models Administrator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sun Prairie WI Posts: 4,635	oh dang! i totally forgot - will take a look now.... Chris __________________ Looking for models - try the Zealot WIKI! Click here -> http://wiki.zealot.com/index.php/Free_Models

01-20-2008, 02:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
cgutzmer Reserves Librarian Card Models Administrator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sun Prairie WI Posts: 4,635	I am not sure if you are specifiying your column widths properly. You are just using numbers to specify width and I dont think that it knows what the numbers are referring too - pixels, percent etc. I would personally use %. I found this to be the most helpful in looking up how to set up tables in the wiki. Help:Table - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ Looking for models - try the Zealot WIKI! Click here -> http://wiki.zealot.com/index.php/Free_Models

01-20-2008, 06:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
cgutzmer Reserves Librarian Card Models Administrator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sun Prairie WI Posts: 4,635	If nothing else, try the pixel one - it seems the most precise. Let me know if you have problems and I will give it a try too. Formatting is about the hardest darn part of the wiki as it SHOULD take standard HTML tags but it doesnt seem to know how to process them half the time. Chris __________________ Looking for models - try the Zealot WIKI! Click here -> http://wiki.zealot.com/index.php/Free_Models

01-22-2008, 12:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
cgutzmer Reserves Librarian Card Models Administrator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sun Prairie WI Posts: 4,635	I have been working on this over the weekend. I think it is working as it should. There just isnt enough screen space to get it to format properly with that amount of data in the width. I was able to figure it out because here at work I have dual monitors (17 inch) and if I drag the entire wiki page across the screen it formats as desired. The reason that some of them do not wrap the same way is that you dont have any spaces after the comma's for the file types. I think we will need to come up with an alternate way to display the info you want to show. I have an idea or two. I donthave any implemented yet but if you want to see what I have been doing you can click into the WIKI and choose recent changes near the top right. Hope we can work it out because I think this info is GREAT! Chris __________________ Looking for models - try the Zealot WIKI! Click here -> http://wiki.zealot.com/index.php/Free_Models

01-20-2008, 03:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
rmks2000 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 657	I tried percent but it seemed to be ignored. I'll try again.

01-22-2008, 12:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
Lex Dollmaker Card Models Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Beijing -- 1400m from the Olympic Stadium! Posts: 2,177	...Just great to see someone working on the wiki ^^ Can't help much, but best of luck. __________________ Model design isn't hard, finding reference is! Recent works: Hanzel/Gretel, De Havilland Comet-4B, F-25, Meirin and the White Knight

01-22-2008, 04:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
rmks2000 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 657	Chris, Thanks for working on it. I'll keep adding the info. I just wish I could expand the comment section more. Bob

01-22-2008, 04:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
cgutzmer Reserves Librarian Card Models Administrator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sun Prairie WI Posts: 4,635	Just finished this up - like or no like? Chris's test page - HobbyWiki Chris __________________ Looking for models - try the Zealot WIKI! Click here -> http://wiki.zealot.com/index.php/Free_Models

01-22-2008, 10:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
RonP Member of the WMRC Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Windsor, Ontario. Canada Posts: 597	html code works so i would use <br> __________________ Model Railroad, how to E-mag come and visit us @ Scratchbuilders Guild

01-22-2008, 10:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
Elliott Card Models Moderator Card Models Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 497	Don't know squat about HTML and all that stuff but the format is certainly usable and gives me helpful information. Love the data you have collected rmks2000! This stuff rocks! Elliott Oh, sorry Chris. Your stuff rocks too! __________________ Elliott Semi-senior membah Redneck Paper Modelahs

01-22-2008, 10:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
cgutzmer Reserves Librarian Card Models Administrator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sun Prairie WI Posts: 4,635	I just took his stuff and changed the formatting. RonP - <br> is good but the problem is that it inserts a hard break. I think he wants to use word wrap to maximize the space used along with specifying the width. If I am using a super high resolution (say 1200 width) and most people are using 600 pixel width then I wouldnt be getting the best use of the space because of that hard break. If the space is allocated dynamically then when the browser translates it to the screen it can format it to make best use of space. I hope that made sense - I am tired as heck..... Chris __________________ Looking for models - try the Zealot WIKI! Click here -> http://wiki.zealot.com/index.php/Free_Models

01-22-2008, 11:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
Amazyah Sr. Card Models Admin. Card Models Administrator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Foothills of the Smoky Mountains Posts: 3,477	What scares me, is that I understand what you mean, Chris! Russell __________________ Selling off a good portion of my model collection. Nothing up at the moment but I'll get some up soon. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcardmodelsnmore

01-23-2008, 09:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
rmks2000 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 657	In theory, using the width attribute should enforce wrapping, but it didn't. That was why I took out spaces and added hard breaks to minimize certain columns. I prefer the original format - to me it's easier to read. However, Chris' sample page eliminates the scrolling. I'll do whatever the consensus is. Bob

01-23-2008, 10:33 AM	#15 (permalink)
cgutzmer Reserves Librarian Card Models Administrator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sun Prairie WI Posts: 4,635	It couldnt enforce word wrapping (in the manner expected) because there just wasnt enough space on a single computer screen to fit that many columns in one row. I 100% agree the original idea was far better for comparison purposes but it wasnt feasible even on my 20 inch monitor at home. Maybe on a 24 inch widescreen it would work.... On my dual monitor setup if I opend the browser completely across BOTH screens it wrapped as I would have expected because there is enough screen real estate. I think the way I formatted it will work OK for comparison purposes but not as well as your original idea. I personally hate scrolling left and right and from a web designer point of reference 75% of people (minimum) will not even bother and will just move on to another page. Chris __________________ Looking for models - try the Zealot WIKI! Click here -> http://wiki.zealot.com/index.php/Free_Models

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