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**Lex** · 04-22-2008, 05:16 AM

Does "didn't fly" count as a criterion for luft'46...?

RedChico · 04-22-2008, 08:13 AM

yes.

And what about japanese 46's.

Hikoki:1946

PS: i'm "only" missing american, british, italian and USSSR 46's.

**Lex** · 04-23-2008, 05:22 AM

...They don't count, we've got American X-projects for that

--It's only the losers who get attention, since there's no chance these will ever become reality!

t.l.williamsjr · 04-23-2008, 11:47 AM

As best as I can recall, the definition of Luft '46 (which includes all parties to the war) was that they were designs that could have emerged had the war gone on longer than 1945. This includes flying prototypes that had not been formally introduced. The P-80 is the prime example of a '46 aircraft that had actually flown.

Tom W.

cjwalas · 04-23-2008, 12:15 PM

"During WWII, German aircraft designers put forth many aircraft project ideas, which ranged from the practical to the bizarre." -from the heading on the Luft '46 site.
They seem to define it specifically as projects developed by Germany during WWII, whether they were ever fully designed, flew or anything else.
Chirs

Paragon · 04-23-2008, 12:31 PM

Lippisch also had a design that was close to flying but is still considered a Luft '46 plane. They got as far as building scale test gliders that did fly. Plus there was that swing-wing prototype that was almost complete that the US Navy reproduced later.

RedChico · 04-23-2008, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t.l.williamsjr

As best as I can recall, the definition of Luft '46 (which includes all parties to the war) was that they were designs that could have emerged had the war gone on longer than 1945. This includes flying prototypes that had not been formally introduced. The P-80 is the prime example of a '46 aircraft that had actually flown.

Tom W.

Lex, YESSSSS.

**Lex** · 04-24-2008, 05:12 AM

Understood...! Thanks guys ^^

t.l.williamsjr · 04-24-2008, 11:01 AM

Using the definition from the Luft '46 site, we'd also have IJAF '46, USAAF '46, HMAF '46, CCCP '46, etc. Easier to lump them all under the Luft '46 umbrella when refering to them and only split out when discussing a single model. After all, Ted Nomura, creator of the Luftwaffe '46 series of comics, doesn't try to break out as a class, but rather just uses normal nomenclature when describing a specific entry. i.e. Luftwaffe He1079, USAAF B-35, etc.

Tom W.

eric_son · 04-24-2008, 09:52 PM

I'd love to see all the aircrafts from the Luft46 site modeled in cardboard.

Heck, I'd even want to see those weird ones that seemed to have come from a Flash Gordon movie (e.g. Junkers Ju EF009) converted to a model just for the heck of it. Hehehehe.

Anyway, the weekend's just around the corner and our labor day holiday is May 1. That would give me a lot of time that hopefully, I can use for resuming work on this model.

04-22-2008, 05:16 AM	#16 (permalink)
Lex Dollmaker Card Models Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Beijing -- 1400m from the Olympic Stadium! Posts: 2,194	Does "didn't fly" count as a criterion for luft'46...? __________________ Model design isn't hard, finding reference is! Recent works: Hanzel/Gretel, De Havilland Comet-4B, F-25, Meirin and the White Knight

04-22-2008, 08:13 AM	#17 (permalink)
RedChico Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 18	yes. And what about japanese 46's. Hikoki:1946 PS: i'm "only" missing american, british, italian and USSSR 46's. Last edited by RedChico; 04-22-2008 at 08:16 AM.

04-23-2008, 05:22 AM	#18 (permalink)
Lex Dollmaker Card Models Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Beijing -- 1400m from the Olympic Stadium! Posts: 2,194	...They don't count, we've got American X-projects for that --It's only the losers who get attention, since there's no chance these will ever become reality! __________________ Model design isn't hard, finding reference is! Recent works: Hanzel/Gretel, De Havilland Comet-4B, F-25, Meirin and the White Knight

04-23-2008, 11:47 AM	#19 (permalink)
t.l.williamsjr Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 57	Luft '46 Definition As best as I can recall, the definition of Luft '46 (which includes all parties to the war) was that they were designs that could have emerged had the war gone on longer than 1945. This includes flying prototypes that had not been formally introduced. The P-80 is the prime example of a '46 aircraft that had actually flown. Tom W. __________________ TomW - Contributing to the Deforestation of the World

04-23-2008, 12:31 PM	#21 (permalink)
Paragon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Greenville NC, USA Posts: 728	Lippisch also had a design that was close to flying but is still considered a Luft '46 plane. They got as far as building scale test gliders that did fly. Plus there was that swing-wing prototype that was almost complete that the US Navy reproduced later. __________________ My Model Downloads: New Cylon Basestar F-25 Shrike Blue Angels Colors http://www.freewebs.com/paragon19/

04-23-2008, 12:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
cjwalas Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Barbara, Ca. Posts: 303	"During WWII, German aircraft designers put forth many aircraft project ideas, which ranged from the practical to the bizarre." -from the heading on the Luft '46 site. They seem to define it specifically as projects developed by Germany during WWII, whether they were ever fully designed, flew or anything else. Chirs

04-24-2008, 05:12 AM	#23 (permalink)
Lex Dollmaker Card Models Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Beijing -- 1400m from the Olympic Stadium! Posts: 2,194	Understood...! Thanks guys ^^ __________________ Model design isn't hard, finding reference is! Recent works: Hanzel/Gretel, De Havilland Comet-4B, F-25, Meirin and the White Knight

04-24-2008, 11:01 AM	#24 (permalink)
t.l.williamsjr Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 57	Using the definition from the Luft '46 site, we'd also have IJAF '46, USAAF '46, HMAF '46, CCCP '46, etc. Easier to lump them all under the Luft '46 umbrella when refering to them and only split out when discussing a single model. After all, Ted Nomura, creator of the Luftwaffe '46 series of comics, doesn't try to break out as a class, but rather just uses normal nomenclature when describing a specific entry. i.e. Luftwaffe He1079, USAAF B-35, etc. Tom W. __________________ TomW - Contributing to the Deforestation of the World

04-24-2008, 09:52 PM	#25 (permalink)
eric_son Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Q.C., Philippines Posts: 202	I'd love to see all the aircrafts from the Luft46 site modeled in cardboard. Heck, I'd even want to see those weird ones that seemed to have come from a Flash Gordon movie (e.g. Junkers Ju EF009) converted to a model just for the heck of it. Hehehehe. Anyway, the weekend's just around the corner and our labor day holiday is May 1. That would give me a lot of time that hopefully, I can use for resuming work on this model. __________________ I can't believe it's not plastic! Cut, Fold & Paste (my builds, etc.)

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