Paper Model designers didn't get credit

Ron Caudillo · 05-09-2008, 02:09 PM

Hi all,
I was sent a e-mail this morning of a news article of a guy who has built may of the Star Trek oriented paper models.
Star Trek set built from Rice Krispies | Metro.co.uk

In the article, the modeler says he builds the models from Rice Krispie boxes. Unfortunately because either he didn't say it, or because the writer omited it, there is no credit given to the designers who produce the models and that many of them are available for free download. The verbage in the article can lead one to think that the builder designed the models himself.

There is a photo of my Enterprise Bridge that was built and clearly shows the side that says I designed the model. If it weren't for that, no one reading the article would know that the builder didn't design it and he got it from somewhere else.

Unfortunately, this could have been a golden opportunity to introduce many readers to the wonderful hobby of card models. An opportunity missed.

Best Regards,

CJTK1701 · 05-09-2008, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Caudillo

Hi all,
I was sent a e-mail this morning of a news article of a guy who has built may of the Star Trek oriented paper models.
Star Trek set built from Rice Krispies | Metro.co.uk

In the article, the modeler says he builds the models from Rice Krispie boxes. Unfortunately because either he didn't say it, or because the writer omited it, there is no credit given to the designers who produce the models and that many of them are available for free download. The verbage in the article can lead one to think that the builder designed the models himself.

There is a photo of my Enterprise Bridge that was built and clearly shows the side that says I designed the model. If it weren't for that, no one reading the article would know that the builder didn't design it and he got it from somewhere else.

Unfortunately, this could have been a golden opportunity to introduce many readers to the wonderful hobby of card models. An opportunity missed.

Best Regards,

What a load of crap! I just made a rather lengthy comment, but I doubt it will get through the moderator filter. You're right to confront them Ron! Jerks like that deserve a slap in the face with the wet towel of reality. God I hate those arrogant jerks that talk crap about card modeling! People like that need to be taken down a rung or two. Probably another reason for all the love I get from the "Styrene and GK community." Some people can't handle the truth!

logicman · 05-09-2008, 03:18 PM

I don't usually put email addresses in plain sight, but these guys deserve to get emails from every single member of 'zealot'.

I have just sent them this email:

editorial.enquiries@ukmetro.co.uk

Sirs,

with reference to the "Rice Krispies" article:

Star Trek set built from Rice Krispies | Metro.co.uk

I have posted a disapproving comment.

I heartily endorse what designer and copyright holder Ron Caudillo has to say in that comments thread.

Anyone who downloads a *.pdf model and then actually builds it with skill is to be congratulated. However, credit MUST be given to the original designer, both as a matter of legal right and as a matter of moral right.

Would you please amend the web page to highlight the fact that other people have designed these models and that they are freely available on the web, subject to copyright law.

Further, it is common practice to reinforce paper/card models with
whatever scrap material is to hand. This does not mean that they should
be categorised in a derogatory style as "Rice Krispies - packet - models".

Surely you would not wish to associate the good name of Associated
Newspapers Limited with inaccurate reportage and border-line copyright
theft?

Yours faithfully,
Patrick

(I gave them my full name and address.)

Copyright notice:
You may copy all or part of the above email and send to Associated Newspapers provided only that you give them your full name and address.

CJTK1701 · 05-09-2008, 05:42 PM

Right on Logic-Man! that's what they need to hear. Everyone should send similar correspondance!

Stev0 · 05-09-2008, 06:44 PM

The comments in general on that site are derogatory towards 'hobbyists'...

I like this one the most.

Quote:

Why is this news?

- Laura, Notts

col. kurtz · 05-09-2008, 06:50 PM

true steve o articles like this do the hobby no good at all.

CJTK1701 · 05-09-2008, 06:58 PM

People that don't create anything themselves have NO IDEA what it's like to work on something and them have some jerk take credit for your work, but you know that hatchet swings both ways. That's why I always give credit to anyone I work with. It's just the right thing to do. I don't put my name on things, because it just isn't that important to me. However, I totally understand a persons feeling in the matter. What's worse is when these people start acting like Ron's a jerk for saying anything and then degrade his work. That's just pure ignorance.

Ron Caudillo · 05-09-2008, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJTK1701

...People like that need to be taken down a rung or two. Probably another reason for all the love I get from the "Styrene and GK community." Some people can't handle the truth!

And I just thought they were jealous of you!

Best Regards,

ARMORMAN · 05-09-2008, 08:01 PM

Let's see if my comment gets through.....

CJTK1701 · 05-09-2008, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Caudillo

And I just thought they were jealous of you!

Best Regards,

Who knows, who cares. LOL I just think it's wrong the way they responded from the beginning and the way they responded to you in particular. I've seen people like Ziz work on an AMT kit for years and have everyone oooo and ahhhh all over it, but when you give them viable options for an accurate TOS bridge, or other model, they poo poo it because it's made of cardstock. What pure and unadulterated hubris. If I recall correctly, I was a member at Hobby Talk, when Steve Iverson was mod at the time that you first proposed your TOS bridge....????

I've always respected art, talent, style, inventiveness etc...etc.... with no regards of who it was, or where it was. If I like it and it works I don't go asking permission from some other jamoke to post positive comments.

I've enjoyed your work from the first time I saw it and for these cretins to try and disparage what you and others do just really irks me.

Do you want me to quit beating around the bush and tell you how I really feel?

edited for content. Elliott

CJTK1701 · 05-09-2008, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARMORMAN

Let's see if my comment gets through.....

Oh, I'd love to see that. Obviously mine hasn't made it through the mod filter.

CJTK1701 · 05-10-2008, 02:06 PM

I notice that haven't been any responses over on the blog attached to the article, I noticed too that none of the replies have been updated.

Another funny thing I noticed was that my post was edited for content.

Can someone send me a copy of what I originally wrote? Guess I'm going to have to start saving every post again?

Guess I must have offended some Trekkies. I'm a Trek fan, so I'm still surprised at how easily trekkies get offended. Been a fan for 39 years and I've never seen anything like it.

They can group together and trash a persons work and revile them and spread lies and rumors and nit pic something to death, but when you call them out on it they get offended.

Oh well, I hope they got the message over Metro.co.uk. Don't be dissen the Card Modelers and be sure to give credit.

Post saved for posterity.

logicman · 05-10-2008, 04:07 PM

Always goin' forwards, still can't find reverse!

My sisters call me Spock - I do languages and logic, me.

I can be such a pedant - hence:

Stev0 · 05-10-2008, 07:56 PM

you forgot ... dun dun DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN....

CJTK1701 · 05-10-2008, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stev0

you forgot ... dun dun DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN....

I was thinking more of the "Ancient Battle Theme" from Amok Time.

05-09-2008, 02:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ron Caudillo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Saddle Brook, New Jersey Posts: 135	Paper Model designers didn't get credit Hi all, I was sent a e-mail this morning of a news article of a guy who has built may of the Star Trek oriented paper models. Star Trek set built from Rice Krispies \| Metro.co.uk In the article, the modeler says he builds the models from Rice Krispie boxes. Unfortunately because either he didn't say it, or because the writer omited it, there is no credit given to the designers who produce the models and that many of them are available for free download. The verbage in the article can lead one to think that the builder designed the models himself. There is a photo of my Enterprise Bridge that was built and clearly shows the side that says I designed the model. If it weren't for that, no one reading the article would know that the builder didn't design it and he got it from somewhere else. Unfortunately, this could have been a golden opportunity to introduce many readers to the wonderful hobby of card models. An opportunity missed. Best Regards, __________________ Ron Caudillo ronaldcaudillo@yahoo.com Last edited by Ron Caudillo; 05-09-2008 at 02:22 PM.

05-09-2008, 03:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
logicman Greybeard Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kent, UK. Posts: 666	I don't usually put email addresses in plain sight, but these guys deserve to get emails from every single member of 'zealot'. I have just sent them this email: editorial.enquiries@ukmetro.co.uk Sirs, with reference to the "Rice Krispies" article: Star Trek set built from Rice Krispies \| Metro.co.uk I have posted a disapproving comment. I heartily endorse what designer and copyright holder Ron Caudillo has to say in that comments thread. Anyone who downloads a *.pdf model and then actually builds it with skill is to be congratulated. However, credit MUST be given to the original designer, both as a matter of legal right and as a matter of moral right. Would you please amend the web page to highlight the fact that other people have designed these models and that they are freely available on the web, subject to copyright law. Further, it is common practice to reinforce paper/card models with whatever scrap material is to hand. This does not mean that they should be categorised in a derogatory style as "Rice Krispies - packet - models". Surely you would not wish to associate the good name of Associated Newspapers Limited with inaccurate reportage and border-line copyright theft? Yours faithfully, Patrick (I gave them my full name and address.) Copyright notice: You may copy all or part of the above email and send to Associated Newspapers provided only that you give them your full name and address. __________________ Relax, it's just an opinion. Stay safe - get site safety ratings > http://www.mywot.com/ http://www.siteadvisor.com/

05-10-2008, 07:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
Stev0 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hfx, NS, Canada Posts: 2,022	you forgot ... dun dun DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.... __________________ Download my projects today R5Unit EG-6 Droid Stubby Z34 Speedy Buggy If I find these files or a printed version on eBay, I personally will rip the seller's censored* - Anonymous*

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05-09-2008, 05:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
CJTK1701 Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,835	Right on Logic-Man! that's what they need to hear. Everyone should send similar correspondance!

05-09-2008, 06:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
col. kurtz Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: basildon,essex u.k Posts: 406	true steve o articles like this do the hobby no good at all.

05-09-2008, 06:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
CJTK1701 Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,835	People that don't create anything themselves have NO IDEA what it's like to work on something and them have some jerk take credit for your work, but you know that hatchet swings both ways. That's why I always give credit to anyone I work with. It's just the right thing to do. I don't put my name on things, because it just isn't that important to me. However, I totally understand a persons feeling in the matter. What's worse is when these people start acting like Ron's a jerk for saying anything and then degrade his work. That's just pure ignorance.

05-09-2008, 08:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
ARMORMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 623	Let's see if my comment gets through.....

05-10-2008, 02:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
CJTK1701 Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,835	I notice that haven't been any responses over on the blog attached to the article, I noticed too that none of the replies have been updated. Another funny thing I noticed was that my post was edited for content. Can someone send me a copy of what I originally wrote? Guess I'm going to have to start saving every post again? Guess I must have offended some Trekkies. I'm a Trek fan, so I'm still surprised at how easily trekkies get offended. Been a fan for 39 years and I've never seen anything like it. They can group together and trash a persons work and revile them and spread lies and rumors and nit pic something to death, but when you call them out on it they get offended. Oh well, I hope they got the message over Metro.co.uk. Don't be dissen the Card Modelers and be sure to give credit. Post saved for posterity.